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[personal profile] piranha
i'm watching criminal minds, season 4, episode 24 "amplification". the unsub got rejected by the army because he failed the psych eval by answering "yes" to the question "is it ever justified to sacrifice the lives of a few for the lives of many".

the unsub lets loose a weaponized anthrax strain in a park as a test, and everyone expects a major attack. the entire episode spends much of its internal agony over whether it'd be ok for the agents to notify their loved ones so they can get out of town, and the official attitude is to keep this from the public for as long as possible, because otherwise mass panic would set in.

uh huh.

and then at the end, when emily gripes about having lied to a woman according to the company line, telling her everything was perfectly safe when in fact it wasn't at all safe, rossi asks her "how would people feel if they knew everything we've prevented since 9-11? would they feel safer, or more vulnerable?" as if that perfectly justified the lies. i think i wouldn't feel more vulnerable, but i would have a more realistic assessment of the dangers and counter-measures out there -- and i always, always rather know than don't know.

i think 9-11 proved that feeling safe isn't particularly good for people; so much overreaction came about in part because people had had no actual concept of the real and present dangers of terrorism. being realistic, being prepared, is important IMO, even though that doesn't make one safe, of course. it changes my mindset, and i am less likely to panic, more likely to have a plan, or at least reasonable objectives if actual danger hits.


i still miss gideon (though not greenaway whom i never liked). i'm sorry about gideon throwing in the towel, but that writing was large on the wall even before frank returned. though i really, REALLY hate it when shows like this put a team member in the direct crosshairs of an unsub -- once i can take, but they've done it to greenaway, gideon, garcia, and reid, and i am afraid it's just gonna continue, and since the boston reaper episode i am pretty sure it'll be hotchner. the show has drama enough, it doesn't need to artificially rachet it up. *grump*.

on 2010-10-18 09:11 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] kore
really, REALLY hate it when shows like this put a team member in the direct crosshairs of an unsub -- once i can take, but they've done it to greenaway, gideon, garcia, and reid, and i am afraid it's just gonna continue

....ohdear.

on 2010-10-19 05:36 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] kore
//bites tongue to keep from spoiling you

Yeah....I understand it's in the nature of US episodic TV that you have long-term contracts for about half-a-dozen people, and then the suits feel everything has to happen to those people to keep up Viewer Interest, but for me the sum total results in _too much_ happening to about half-a-dozen people so it gets ridiculous with very little background or secondary character stuff. Maybe novels spoil me.

on 2010-10-19 05:44 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] hobbitbabe
Not all novels.

There's one series in particular where every time a book introduces a new relative of the main character, you can be assured that this relative will be in peril before the end of the book.

on 2010-10-18 09:52 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] zeborah
Amplification wasn't the best episode they've ever done, though heh, I'd missed that particular bit of irony.

I'm solidly against scaremongering, but that's quite different from just being told the facts. And if we could trust the authorities to actually tell us the facts, then scaremongering might have less purchase.

A justification I'd care more for would be security vis-a-vis terrorists and foreign powers: if they can see what you've protected against in the past and some measure of how you've done it, that might give them something to go on in planning new and novel attacks on you. I don't know if this is sufficient justification in practice, but it'd convince me much more readily.

I started watching in Greenaway's final episodes, so didn't think much of her, and didn't know Gideon well before he was gone. But on rewatching, Greenaway grew on me, while Gideon never really did - I get him but only intellectually.

--I'm presuming you want to avoid spoilers, otherwise you'd go look for yourself, right?

on 2010-10-18 11:47 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] hobbitbabe
I just finished Season 4. And yeah, a while ago I had a feeling that I should count up who all hadn't been shot or kidnapped yet, because it was going to happen.

The thing that bugged me about all the hand-wringing ethical turmoil of JJ not being able to evacuate her kid because it wouldn't be "fair", etc, was that it came right after something at the end of the previous episode that is a huge ethical violation in my opinion and is entirely glossed over.

Don't believe it for a minute

on 2010-10-19 01:56 (UTC)
Posted by [personal profile] flarenut
Perhaps interesting is that IRL a lot of organizations take the opposite position, namely that people will do their jobs much more effectively if they're not as worried about the survival of their nearest and dearest. Self-serving but defensible. (At one point when my father was working for the government in an ostensibly necessary job, my sisters and I all got instructions about where to go if it appeared The Button was about to be pushed -- not that it would have helped, but it might have helped his office operate more effectively.)

I'm a cynic whenever I hear the "if only we could tell you" lines. Maybe it would provoke panic (depending on the details of how some plot failed to come off) or maybe equanimity. But mostly it would in practice be like the self-reports by gun owners of crimes foiled by display of a weapon.

Re: Don't believe it for a minute

on 2010-10-19 14:58 (UTC)
Posted by (Anonymous)
The trick is establishing a presumption of honesty. Or re-establishing it, as the case may be. At this point, in many communities an announcement of some kind of disaster would lead to half the population panicking and the other half refusing to make any change to their daily routine.

on 2010-10-19 05:45 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] hobbitbabe
Yes. That was not cute and quirky in my opinion.

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