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renaissance poisson ([personal profile] piranha) wrote2005-09-08 12:47 pm
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i don't understand

so since the bush administration has said we don't want to play the blame game (and then promptly went to blame state and local officials about not asking for federal help early enough), i've been digging through records to see just what the feds were doing compared to the locals, bureaucracy-wise.

and there's something weird. bush's declaration of an emergency for louisiana parishes covers middle and upstate louisiana, but not the coastal parishes. am i just dense and missing something?

here's the list: Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

the very parishes for which the hurricane warnings were in effect are not among them:

WWUS74 KLIX 281550 NPWLIX [...]
LAZ038-040-050-056> 070-282100 - ASSUMPTION - LIVINGSTON - LOWER JEFFERSON - LOWER LAFOURCHE - LOWER PLAQUEMINES - LOWER ST. BERNARD - LOWER TERREBONNE - ORLEANS - ST. CHARLES - ST. JAMES - ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST - ST. TAMMANY - TANGIPAHOA - UPPER JEFFERSON - UPPER LAFOURCHE - UPPER PLAQUEMINES - UPPER ST. BERNARD - UPPER TERREBONNE

quick map here.

at first i thought maybe they were already covered from a previous declaration (louisiana itself declared a state of emergency for tropical storm cindy, which ended on august 4, and one for hurricane dennis, ending o august 7), but can't find anything about that other than a FEMA disaster aid declaration for cindy from august 23 (wow, that much later; cindy hit july 5).

[identity profile] crystlyte.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, that's just plain weird. I went first to look for the parishes that I had been entering data for, which was Jefferson, St. John the Baptist and Plaquemines - the one that's supposed to have lost so much land after they put in that "Mr. Go" sea lane thing that hardly even gets used.

I have to belive that there's got to be some kind of reasonable explanation, but then again.......

btw, it occurred to me while driving to school today that it might be an interesting exercise to try to determine the timelines of requests and responses with one of the major hurricanes that hit FL last year and compare and contrast that to Katrina. The population of NOLA may make it too skewed to work as I don't remember if there was a FL city of size involved. I'd do it myself, but I don't have nearly as much putertime as I'd need.

[identity profile] dubhain.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think [livejournal.com profile] tanuki_green is working on just such a comparison, but hasn't finished it yet.

[identity profile] dubhain.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and [livejournal.com profile] ottercat has a comparison between the Katrina response and the response to the great San Francisco quake of 1906. It's actually interesting reading.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/ottercat/288685.html

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to belive that there's got to be some kind of reasonable explanation, but then again.......


Issued August 29th. I posted a couple of links lower in the comments.
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[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
no, this one was issued august 27, it's the first thing pertaining to katrina.

i'll check the other two out (thanks), but i suspect they're equivalent to http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050829-2.html, which talks about federal funding for LA (i am tracking actual disaster assistance, not funding).
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timelines and snafus for florida

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
yes, that would be very interesting. apparently at least one republican florida representative was very unhappy with FEMA during that time:

Rep. Mark Foley of West Palm Beach, Fla., not known as a shouter, was especially critical. Contrary to claims that FEMA's Brown was doing just fine until Katrina struck, Foley has been at odds with Brown over the government's handling of hurricanes that have hit his Florida district. Foley has stories of Brown's denial of reality and FEMA's inherent bureaucratic sluggishness.

from robert novak, of all people.

foley is one of those who want to pull FEMA out of DHS.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
ISTR a pre-emptive declaration of a disaster area for *some* part of LA before the hurricane hit, but I don't remember which part. It would make sense for it to be the parts that weren't covered in the new declaration.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2005-09-08 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Found it. Issued August 29th.

http://www.sba.gov/disasterarea2/LA101760805.pdf and http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/2005graphics/dr1603/dec_1603.pdf

[identity profile] treacle-well.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Here's what (http://www.livejournal.com/users/hauntmeister/183777.html) [livejournal.com profile] hauntmeister thinks.
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[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
ah, good to see i'm not the only one who noticed. i followed the bob harris link from where hauntmeister got his info, and i see he hasn't gotten a good explanation either. interesting that i am not seeing anything in the mainstream media -- makes me wonder how many people actually read primary documents.

[identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
*blink*

I grew up in Beauregard parish. Even when hurricanes make landfall on that end of the state (it's on the Texas border), Beauregard really doesn't need emergency declarations. It's too far inland for storm surge, too elevated for much flooding -- never took much wind damage, either. At best, hurricanes take out some power lines, and if we're really lucky, school gets called off for a day.

I don't thin Beauregard even got much rain from Katrina.
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[identity profile] aquaeri.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
This was already discussed by [livejournal.com profile] jrittenhouse (who has a heap of other interesting Katrina stuff), and he seems to have got it from here (http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/).
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marker: wrong counties

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
same source as [livejournal.com profile] hauntmeister linked to above, no further information.
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Re: marker: wrong counties

[identity profile] aquaeri.livejournal.com 2005-09-10 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think I realised that once I looked at all the comments more closely. Sorry about that.
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Re: marker: wrong counties

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-09-10 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
no problem at all, better double links than no links at all. :)