piranha: red origami crane (Default)
[personal profile] piranha
i am finding myself totally disinclined to buy their yarns. when i was last in my LYS, the new sales lady tried to sell me on some eco recycled rowan yarn, and i felt totally *meh* about it, even though i like tweedy yarns. when i came home i was wondering why that might have been so -- i've had no bad experience with rowan yarns; they're just usually a bit on the expensive side. they do feature some really excellent designers, and i was at a loss why i had such a distinctly negative reaction.

and then i looked at patterns and more patterns and more, and now i know why i felt *meh*: in general their models look emaciated, bored, and prissy. none of the patterns i saw went over 46|56, and of course no model is ever shown who'd actually BE a 46|56.

my subconscious must have been paying attention all along. rowan doesn't care about large people. so guess what? i ain't buying your overpriced yarn, of which i'd have to buy more skeins than any of your skinny models. so there.

on 2010-07-24 02:14 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] seryn
Although I have no experience with Rowan, I feel your pain.

I have this problem all the time. Designers (*cough* Vogue) who think a 36" bust is an XL are extremely annoying. The way that no woman who might actually be anything larger than an XS is ever shown even when the pattern claims that it scales to a real XL is even more annoying. (Usually someone on Ravelry will have made the pattern though and you can see what it looks like in real life. It's often shockingly bad.)

Then the fact that the average American woman wears a D cup bra and a size 16 says fully half the population could not wear the biggest size most patterns come in. And that size is often scaled by a demented sloth with a belly full of live ferrets (most of the errata seem to be in the largest sizes and just because I have a womanly figure does not mean I need pockets large enough to hold Thor's Hammer; one does not double the size of every number.). I've seen designers say "I don't even know anyone that large." WTF.

That means I never buy patterns for sweaters. I have to do all my own math anyway, why should I pay someone else do do any of it?

I have a corollary problem. My LYS won't help normal-size women. If you're not in negative sizes, they will turn their backs when you approach the counter with your selections. I order all my yarn online now. I silently cheer when that LYS is in the local Rav group whinging about slow sales too. I hope they go out of business, it couldn't happen to a more deserving store.

on 2010-07-24 06:55 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] seryn
My library gets Vogue Knitting and Creative Knitting both. I was astonished by what an "L" size meant being so dramatically different.

I don't shop for bargains online. I shop online because I apparently live somewhere weird. Yarn stores here are all boutiques, so they try for the austere kind of stockage. One skein per color per kind of yarn. (If I wanted to make a sweater, I'd look like I was trying out for the title role in that Dreamcoat musical.) They are horrid little micro-shops situated in places with scarce and astronomical parking while being staffed by the kinds of women they make NY sitcoms about.

I'd like to see the fashion industry forced to take their models from the teachers' lounge of a junior high school in Kentucky or Colorado. Or nurses in Nevada. The public could vote on which school or hospital should be nominated and every fashion magazine and designer would descend and be forced to adapt their clothing to suit the people modeling it. And the nurses or teachers could keep the clothes. Anything regular people refuse to wear could not be marketed.

And yes, you would think the Rowan people would be interested in selling 5 times as much yarn as the Yarn Harlot needs to make her XS sweaters. It puts regular people off when they see an adult woman wearing something the same size as a toddler wears. "Well, yeah, I could make that sweater in a week, but I don't know any kindergartners who need a deep V-neck in sparkly yarn for clubbing."

Viking cables! Thor's pockets. Yeah, if you come up with a design for that, please share. :-)

on 2010-07-24 14:05 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] lorres
Yes - just yes.

I'm composing an email to Rowan in my head right now.

on 2010-07-25 01:44 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] lorres
Mine wasn't nearly that nice. I haven't particularly sorted them out for a boycott, because if I was going to start boycotting companies for their models I'd have to put a bit more thought into it. I don't care about pattern sizes because I don't buy patterns per se, but I do buy the magazines and have been annoyed often. I don't use patterns to knit.

I did try to convey the chilling effect of continually being invisible to such companies.

I may eventually boycott all that I find offensive.

Unlike your other respondent, I do not find my LYS staffs to be unwelcoming. I want to be their customer and I don't want to shop for a lot of yarn online. So I must figure out a way to support their services - perhaps by asking them to consider how it makes me feel to constantly be exluded from the various company mind sets. They may want to convey my disapproval also, I don't know. It's certainly worth discussing. Maybe not in hushed tones while there are significant numbers of normal size women in the shop? I don't know...

on 2010-07-25 02:07 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] damned_colonial
+1 ... rowan is the primary design firm in my "toosmall" tag on Rav.

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