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rant #1: on obama getting the nobel peace prize.

oh yeah, i was surprised. my first impulse was that it was too early, that he hadn't done much yet, that he was still involved in two wars, still shooting missiles into pakistan. but then i started thinking about prior nobel awards, and about what he _had_ done so far.

the nobel prize is sometimes awarded for potential, for making the right moves towards peace in a way that could really change the world if they succeeded. when awarded for that, it's an award to draw attention to those moves, to give support and encouragement. rabin and arafat were awarded a nobel for their moves towards recognizing each other's right to exist. kissinger was awarded a nobel for trying to get out of vietnam. they certainly didn't get it for what they had done with their lives previously, for their general peacefulness. and neither went as far as one might have hoped. but giving the awards was important at the time. and anyone who screams that the award has been tainted by giving it to obama needs to do some fsucking research.

the furor from republican mouth pieces about obama's win was sadly only to be expected. apparently if obama does it, it's ok to side with hamas and the taliban in one's criticism. the party of "no" is becoming increasingly anti-american. i thought after the election things would calm down, but instead they're becoming worse and worse -- and my own reaction to republicans is becoming worse as well. i don't want to read anyone anymore who throws their lot in with people who're this unhinged; it gives me stomach cramps (i am not kidding; the pure hatred that comes from followers of limbaugh and beck makes me ill, and worries me sick). every time i see obama in the trending topics on twitter i expect that he has been assassinated by somebody whipped into a murderous frenzy by those people.

but what's also ridiculous is all this yammering by others about how he doesn't "deserve" it. and "what has he done?". can those people not read? the nobel committee said why they gave it to him.

obama is getting this award because he's the man with the right vision for a more peaceful world at the right time in the right place. it's an encouragement for his politics of dignity. if one know nothing of the world one won't see that, but outside of the US obama has a huge amount of credibility, and has single-handedly turned the view of the US around from being a scary, warmongering imperialist into something civilized again. i can think of other people who'd deserve the nobel peace prize for what they have done, yes. but i can't think of anyone who'd deserve it as encouragement for what they CAN do better than obama. he's not the messiah (*rolls eyes*), but he's a pivotal character at a critical time.

the nobel peace prize for obama is meant to be a call to world-wide positive action in the areas of nuclear disarmament, climate control, easing of tensions between religious groups. here's hoping it bears some fruit.

on 2009-10-11 00:05 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] kore
i thought after the election things would calm down, but instead they're becoming worse and worse -- and my own reaction to republicans is becoming worse as well. i don't want to read anyone anymore who throws their lot in with people who're this unhinged; it gives me stomach cramps (i am not kidding; the pure hatred that comes from followers of limbaugh and beck makes me ill, and worries me sick). every time i see obama in the trending topics on twitter i expect that he has been assassinated by somebody whipped into a murderous frenzy by those people.

YES

THIS
THIS

....you know, the other thing I was thinking was, it is just as you say -- Obama has a lot of credit (or at least, more than Shrub....okay that is not saying much of anything. ANYWAY) in the int'l community. But also....okay, this is a racially divided nation, it has been for centuries, since its founding. And this is our first African-American President. I think the prize was maybe not only awarded to him for the potential he has (which, from some links other people were dropping in other posts, seems to be actually more like what it is _for,_ not a really specific event) but also for what has already happened in this country, which is pretty momentous, freaky wingnut haters aside.

That said I think it was nice of him to donate the prize money but he could have probably used it for extra security.

on 2009-10-11 00:32 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] trulybloom
Yes, what you said.

As for the What-The-Hell-Is-Wrong-With-You Republicans... I honestly don't understand where they are coming from. Why does Obama scare them so damned much?

YEARS ago, I caught my mom listening to Rush Limbach - when I called her on it, she said she only listened because it is important to "know your enemy." But, now, she's totally bought into it. She not only still listens, but she now agrees with him and Bill O'Reilly and those like them. She says horrible things against the president and his wife - not just political criticism but personal slurs as well. It's very disturbing, but if I question her, she acts like I'm the stupid, ignorant, deceived one.

When I was a little kid, we were on a trip and met this gay couple - she told me they were nice and that they were together like she and my dad. Because of the way she introduced the concept of gay couples to me, it's never occurred to me that it was wrong or bad or weird. Yet, she's gone so far off the deep-end now that she voted against gay marriage in California. Why? Because she didn't think it appropriate that they be teaching "that sort of thing" to kindergardeners. The very thing she introduced me to when I was little - the thing that was not to be feared or derided but accepted because it's not wrong to love another person - is now one of the things she's railling against.

I would certainly like to know what the hell has happened to so many once rational, reasonable, tolerant people.

Did Bush and Cheney do this? Did their fearmongering trigger some primal emotion in people that has permanently overridden reason and logic, common sense and all sense of humanity?

Why do the Republicans want us to believe that hope is a bad word?

on 2009-10-11 01:11 (UTC)
Posted by [personal profile] matthewdaly
Have they given specific examples of what pushed him over the edge, or is it just the "[E]xtraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples?" Because, as lovely as that sentiment is, I haven't seen the dividends of his outlook except for international bankers and carmakers. He's re-engaging with rogue states, but North Korea and Iran are test-firing missiles. He wants to interface with the Muslim world, but killing Pakistani civilians with airstrikes is exactly the sort of thing that would make Alfred Nobel weep. He wanted to close Gitmo on his first day in office, but it's still going to exist even a year later.

I can't say how he looks from an international perspective, but domestically he looks like a guy that has a hard time living up to his promises. I like the guy I voted for, and I'm really hoping that he shows up for work one of these days. The president we have dodged DADT after campaigning on how inane it was, told Congress to deal with it, and then (AFAICT) had the congressional bill killed so that they could focus on health care. Then he breaks his pledge to work hard on health care himself, goes to Copenhagen to stump for the Chicago Olympics, and loses embarrassing key votes on both fronts. We're closer to cementing domestic surveillance than creating a transparent government. The climate change bill is a complete giveaway to the energy industry, not that it's passed yet. And the economy hasn't exactly improved.

So from all that perspective, it's more than a little awkward to have five retired politicians from Norway essentially saying "You're doing a heck of a job!" as George Bush said to Michael Brown while New Orleans was still underwater. They have the right to do that, of course, but I hope they won't be disappointed when they see that it makes it harder for Obama to keep his domestic coalition together. All this is going to do is energize the conservatives, befuddle the independents, and leave the liberals on the defensive.

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