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the latest CBS poll on evolution is a doozy (thanks to [livejournal.com profile] zemblan for the pointer).



Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin of human beings? 1. Human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, and God did not directly guide this process; 2. Human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, but God guided this process; 3. God created human beings in their present form.

 Total%Rep%Dem%Ind%Nov04a%
Evolved, God did not guide15 7152113
Evolved, God guided process3031253227
God created humans in present form   5157574155
DK/NA 4 5 3 6 5


Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin of human beings? 1. Human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, and God did not directly guide this process; 2. Human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, but God guided this process; 3. God created human beings in their present form within the last ten thousand years.

 Total%Rep%Dem%Ind%
Evolved, God did not guide1542513
Evolved, God guided process29252734
God created humans w/in last 10,000 yrs   48654243
DK/NA 8 6 610


Do you believe that it is possible or not possible to believe in both God and evolution?

 Total%Rep%Dem%Ind%Time Mag 81%
Possible6759657257
Not possible   2937282436
DK/NA 4 4 64 7



some people keep saying that showing such people disrespect is not the way to communicate effectively with them, and i agree that it isn't, but ya know -- i am stumped. i have no respect for willful ignorance, and that is what this is. i can sympathise with the motivation (which i think is mostly fear), but more and more americans seem willing to slide into this morass of disregarding reality in favour of faith. and what's more, they're eager to push it on those of us who don't believe as they do. if they didn't try that, i could just ignore it, but it shows democracy at its worst: the tyranny of an uneducated, fearful majority.

more (unhappy-making) polls on science.

on 2005-10-24 22:26 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] novazembla.livejournal.com
Better news here:

http://ydr.com/story/doverbiology/90851/

@%<

on 2005-10-24 23:38 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
While I kind of want there to really be 665% of Democrats who think religion and evolution are compatible, it's probably not true.

I continue to flail frustratedly about how to teach people that knowing about reality is good.

on 2005-10-25 00:30 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
woops. fixed. thanks!

on 2005-10-25 00:21 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] king-tirian.livejournal.com
The one long-term study would seem to strongly support the hypothesis that Americans have not changed their opinions on this matter in the slightest bit over the past thirteen years. The change has been, I think, entirely one of the Moral Majority's stealth campaign to get stealth candidates to go from private citizen to serving on the Water Board to jump to the school boards where they reveal their colors. Which is appalling, but if we need to stifle their speech in order to beat them then it doesn't really honor the position that we champion.

Still, I wonder if there's much more important things that we're not looking at. Somehow I suspect that our science classes could teach the Great Flood and transubstantiation and it would still be less crap than half of our curricula are turning out about North American history.

on 2005-10-25 01:04 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pameladean.livejournal.com
http://abstractfactory.blogspot.com/2005/10/only-debate-on-intelligent-design-that.html

I'm not at all sure that, respectful or not (and I sure am not), one can get to these people by arguing at that level. I think you have to back up about ten steps. Even then I don't know that it's worth either the head- or the heart-ache. I think there is actual pathology here.

P.

on 2005-10-25 01:05 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pameladean.livejournal.com
Well, that was spectacularly unclear. I meant, I don't think you can argue about Intelligent Design directly and expect to have an impact, you have to back up to the scary assumptions that make Intelligent Design necessary.

The url is kind of like a large stiff drink, for those who find such things helpful.

P.

on 2005-10-25 06:40 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
it was perfectly clear to me!

spiffy link. :)

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