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how old this building is:

also, having random thoughts about the nature of symbols. too unformed to talk about as yet.

state of the herbal experiment:

not sedative! in fact, it feels slightly stimulating; my heart rate definitely goes up a little after consuming it. it tastes better warm than cold, alas, which makes drinking it right now difficult, since, you know, summer: already hot enough. maybe i'll experiment with adding some citrus. also maybe drink smaller portion more times a day. not like there is any idea of dosage here anyway, *sigh*. why don't they make small, cheap desktop gas chromatographs for amateur chemists? [1]

still, not having the sweaty sock experience with valerian. i can sort of smell why some people seem to experience it that way; the potential is clearly there for me too, but even when freshly compared (because sweaty socks are easily come by in this house), the valerian wins by several root lengths because of the aromatic overtones, which i like.

it could be that this is a feature of my european-bred nose -- i don't have anywhere near the abhorrence of strong body odours that north american peeps seem to have, and hey, i actively like the smell of horse manure (when it's not piled up in a stable and reeking of pure ammonia, that is).

[1] small, as it turns out, is entirely possible. they even make the damn things portable these days. wow. too cool. this site is fun because they let you put together your own. well, there is a gift to put on a wedding registry read by wealthy patrons. i mean, if one were to have a wedding. or wealthy patrons. which i'm not.


on 2005-08-12 21:49 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] suzimoses.livejournal.com
i actively like the smell of horse manure (when it's not piled up in a stable and reeking of pure ammonia, that is).

I never really thought of it as a european thing, but I adore the smell of cow and horse manure, mostly. I grew up beside a cow field and it reminds me of home and freshly tilled earth. (My grandfather often used it as garden fertilizer.) Oddly enough it smells clean and earthy to me.

I will note that hot humid days were bad, and that once the herd caught some type of virus that made the manure smell bad.

Now that you mention it, I have no objections to a bit of body odor myself, as long as it is coming from other people. Unfortunately my father installed a deep distaste in me for my own smells.

suzi, contemplating her roots now

Re: smells

on 2005-08-12 23:57 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
being less sensitive about body odours is the european thing, sorry; my sentence construction made it look like i thought the manure-liking was too.

yeah, shit in heat never does anything for me either. :)

i dislike some of my own smells, but not my general body odour. in fact i am not sure if i could recognise it if somebody bottled it.

on 2005-08-12 22:31 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] wordweaverlynn.livejournal.com
It looks like it could be 1890 to 1930-something. Remember that the swastika was co-opted by the Nazis. Its right- and left-hand versions are ancient symbols in many cultures.

I love the smell of cow manure spread on the fields. I also sniff my lovers' armpits. I like rich earthy odors.

on 2005-08-12 23:11 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
That's the age range [livejournal.com profile] hattifattener and I came up with, too. It's not so tall that it would require steel framing, and I really can't think anyone would have put swastikas on a building any later than that.

Where is the building, anyway?

on 2005-08-12 23:59 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
ladysmith, just the next town south from where we live. i know extremely little about building styles here, which is why i was wondering.

on 2005-08-13 02:05 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
Interesting. It looks like what I remember from the Seattle Underground Tour, more or less. I think there's a good possibility it was built in the 1900s. I can't so much prove that, of course. :) Ladysmith was incorporated in 1904, and it looks like it was less prosperous after 1909 or so (http://www.town.ladysmith.bc.ca/history.html). That would fit.

on 2005-08-13 00:51 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
yeah, i know -- the swastika was in fact used by the nazis precisely because it was quite popular in europe at the time, and especially so amongst the nazis' various nationalist predecessors; they presumed its origins to be purely aryan, themselves to be descended from them, and they meant to capitalise on it by creating (the myth of) the aryan->nazi->master race connection.

it's also kinda fascinating what sorts of myths have sprung up about that choice since then (such as that hitler reversed the arms for occult purposes, which is IMO pure bunk).

which is what got me started noodling about symbols and how they can become tainted, whether they can be reclaimed, *continued noodling*.

on 2005-08-13 03:24 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] aquaeri.livejournal.com
I'd also vote for the turn of the last century. The Carlsberg Brewery in Copenhagen has huge stone elephants as its portal (I think it features on some of its beer labels, but I don't drink beer). The elephants have swastikas on cloths draped over their backs. So I grew up with the notion that swastikas were a perfectly good symbol the Nazis had gone and ruined.

I found a picture (http://www.terryblackburn.us/Travel/Scandinavia/elephant.html) or two (http://kimbofo.smugmug.com/gallery/535520/1/22142708).

on 2005-08-13 19:16 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com
So I grew up with the notion that swastikas were a perfectly good symbol the Nazis had gone and ruined.

They were. Just your standard sun symbol/cross variant that some asshole had to decide was just perfect for the Reich.


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